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Parmenion



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Vampires and erotic things Reply with quote

Ok im sure some of you like Vampire books, so who is a fan??

And can you tell me do they normally have some racy erotic bits in them??

Im reading a submission by an new author and its very good, im just not sure the erotic section at the start is called for...so enlighten me please
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Tk421



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some people view the whole vampire thing as an erotic thing so it's possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't read any vampire books besides Dracula. I have seen plenty films and even a play. From my viewpoint Vampires always have a dark sexiness to them. The way they get their victims is usually in a sexually predatory way. So I reckon it could well fit.

Remember Bram Stoker's Dracula with Keanu..that had some racy erotic bits in IIRC.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, from the ones I've read in the past i'd say it depends, really. There are a lot of vampire books out there that have erotic scenes in them, but equally there are ones that don't.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My sister reads a lot of these books, mainly by a woman called Sherrilyn Kenyon, and thoroughly enjoys them. Just how erotic they are I don't know, but I do believe there's quite a bit in there.

I understand Ann Rice is quite explicit as well.
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Parmenion



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks all, that makes mee feel a bit better about this then. It is faily explicit at times, but i think will be a great book....will give you more when i can.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blame Laurell K. Hamilton for the current popularity of vampire erotica mate. Her Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter series started out as a relatively straight action-take on the modern-day vampire / lycanthropy tropes, with some added raciness thrown in for good measure, but after the first five or six books it basically degenerated into soft porn with minimal plot tacked on.

And for some reason that's just made them even more popular than they already were...

Of course, I only read the first ten, so she could have gone back to the all-action stuff for the last couple... Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol
I don't believe she did. Laughing

Normally vampire books do contain sex but personally I think it should have some sensible context and not just be bonking purely for the sake of having it in the book.

I think all more recent vampire books have a large amount of pointless (no pun intended) sex and in most cases it spoils what could be a very good book.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in this case (this book) i think it has some relevance...the guy has been dust for a few decades...even vampires have needs!! {Grin}
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vampires are supposed to be very sensual beings, touched by darkness the ultimate vice is in their hands, that of giving death. I think sex in a vampire book is a waste of paper when there are other ways to portray their lusts.

Manty - whose head is pounding as he squints at the screen!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I do like sexy vampire stuff and read it online and offline Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like most people have said, some do some don't, a lot of modern day gothic vampire stories do have quite a bit. Especially between two vamps themselves, first bloodlust then sexlust *shrug*. vampiricism is seen as an erotic act. The biting of ones neck is the same as kissing it. Other things have been tacked on and ho the modern day vampire emerges. Who's blood which apparently doesn't run can still make them rise in more ways than one after dark.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M'Colleague Sandy posted an interview on UKSFBN with Jo Fletcher of Gollancz books about their new 'Gollancz Romancz' range, just this morning...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know whether that news is depressing or a good thing... but rather predictable/expected, I think.

There is a theme throughout US publications at the moment (rather Laurell K Hamilton originated, (Ariel, you beat me, I think I only got to book 8!) but also partly the Buffy/Angel comedown) extending to werewolves and any number of paranormal creatures.... Kim Harrison, Charlene Harris, Tanya Huff... see also paranormal detectives (Jim Butcher, Tanya Huff).

The role of sex and the vampire has been pretty well documented with the vampire the consequence of repressed Victorians receiving most publicity.

(That Stoker bloke has a lot to answer for!)

As Lizzy says, the Coppola Dracula did emphasise that aspect; it's a little more subtle in the Stoker book.

I think some of the new Games Workshop/Solaris imprints out early next year seem to follow the supernatural mould too.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howdo Hobbit, welcome aboard mate...

Like any other genre or sub-genre, it comes down to the individual quality of the authors concerned. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Jim Butcher books because they're well-written, fast-paced, engaging and have great characerisation. And Jo (the missus) reads plenty of the other supernatural stuff, partly for the same reasons, and partly because she's been a horror fan since she was 12.

But the same thing will happen (or most likely is already happening) as helped to kill off mainstream horror sales in the mid '90s - a lot of stuff just gets churned out and thrown to the reading public in order to ride the wave and make a fast buck, whether it's actually well-written or not.

In that interview Jo Fletcher is making the point that she's only going to publish material she thinks is good because she has the reputation of her list to defend, whereas the Orion higher-ups (who all work for Hachette now, technically) seemed to be the ones keen to chuck out any old rubbish just so long as it's got supernatural porn in there somewhere...
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